
If there is one thing I find truly refreshing yet inconvenient all at once …that one thing would have to be those moments in which my character is challenged and I have that obligatory decision to change the way I have chosen to live and think. For so long I have turned a blind eye to pandemic issues that have plagued our societies and even worse…. our congregations. The Bible teaches that evil is rooted in the powers and structures of our societies as well as our hearts… Many of us have the inability to even recognize these evils. It is ironic how we can easily acknowledge our personal sins, yet when it comes to recognizing the sins of the institutions we adhere to, we have seemingly turned a blind eye, buying into an ideology which on all accounts seems right yet is rooted in social sin. Somewhere within the margins, we have all become consumers in our own ways…forgetting that we are the ones to bring social justice to a world of inequity, we swallow what is pleasing to ourselves yet forget about…not just the big picture…but The picture.
Perhaps we have not understood the nature of social Sin that has taken over virtually everything from our governments to our churches. The men and women we elect to oversee our communities and nation sacrifice morality for the sake of relevance as the pulpit has become a tool of monetary gain, as if the budget is the say-all to the church’s success. In this matrix of madness we have abandoned a heart of social justice for a heart of narcissism. For many of us the phrase “Social Justice” has been lost in translation and has been minimized to programs and wrist- bands. Jim Wallis said …“ Often, we are involved in destructive social arrangements without being aware of it. We are barely conscious of the harm we inflict on others when it is done through the social institutions to which we belong.” I have never thought of it like this before, but we must become keenly aware of what we are socially involved with. We justify and defend the social systems that have grasped our lives. There is something wrong when a church has to spend hundreds and thousands of dollars to “fill their seats,” yet neglect the fact there are people in their very community who are going to bed hungry…. the biggest travesty of it all is we choose to turn a blind eye and go on as if it doesn’t exist.
Gregory Baum suggests that “ we cling tenaciously to the beliefs and symbols that make our institutions seem right and good, and we easily over look the sin built into the system.” At what cost will we sacrifice our duties as followers of The Way? At what cost will we continue to turn a blind eye to the social sin rooted within the institutions we have bought into? Now think…think about the girl who was molested…think about the mom who cannot afford to feed her children… or how about the homosexual who will die because of aids?…. have you thought about it? because that is what it will cost Us.
I will sign off with a challenge…a challenge first and foremost to myself, then to my pastor (I expect your feedback now, Doulos)- the challenge is this: go through a process of repentance then onto examining our conscience as individuals and social institutions. What will we learn from this? Jesus tells us we must make a complete change in the way we live and think…a life-style change… in order to be effective. If this means we must abandon the ideologies and protocols given to us by society…then so be it. If it means you must give up on what your heart tells you and do what Christ asks of you…than may you be blessed.
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Nathanael Ray Nielsen.
At What Cost?
November 27, 2008 by Nathan Nielsen
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I accept your challenge. Your post brings up the age old issue that has plagued “religion” for years: Apathy. I was doing research last night and Barna reported that 85% of Americans are concerned about social justice issues. If 85% are concerned why is it that so few are not willing to do something about it.
Well my new phrase is “Within the context of modern day Christianity” (WTCOMC for short). So WTCOMC we are good with writing a check to send some crazy kids to Mexico or Uganda, we might even give a bent can that has been in our pantry for years to the Manna house. Beyond that we like to plead the NIMBY defense. Which is: I am ok with all of this as long as it is Not In My Back Yard. I.E. We love homosexuals in theory but if one were to show up on a Sunday morning most would look at them as lepers. We go and feed the homeless then return home to our 300 TV channels and a tub of Ben & Jerry’s unchanged and unaffected.
This of course is all contrary to The Way. I think Christ was pretty clear “Love God and Love People no exceptions”.
You are digging up some good stuff. But you know that WTCOMC you are blasphemous and will be slated for termination? Happy Thanksgiving
Termination is ok…as long as I have my own Sarah Connor to protect me. hehe. But seriously, You hit on such a huge issue….the issue being our stuff. Stuff isn’t bad, but when that “stuff” gets in the way of true relationship…Houston we have a problem. Think about it, I personally have been stood up because of W.O.W or Lost. It sucks because I am missing out on relationship. It is said that all of the problems in the world are from a problem of relationship. ( refer back to my community post)
M@ you rock, stay rockin, and don’t stop rockin. In the mean time i’ll keep diggin.
“For many of us the phrase “Social Justice” has been lost in translation and has been minimized to programs and wrist- bands.”
How true this is.
One time G.K. Chesterton was included in a panel of people that were discussing the evils and ills of their society at the time. When asked what was the main contribution to the downfall of society, Chesterton replied: “I can sum it up in one word: ME. The problem is me.”
I’ve been thinking about this a lot. I complain a lot about the church and how apathetic the church is when it comes to actually making a difference in the world. But then I think about my own life and how apathetic (and pathetic) I am when it comes to addressing needs. I’m trying to change that – I’m looking to actually change my career from ministry to fighting human trafficking – but when I look at the problem, I see ME as the problem. And the church is made up of a bunch of “ME”s.
Have you heard “Give Me Your Eyes” by Brandon Heath? Pretty good–I listened to it about ten times on my way back to Redding yesterday. I’ll send you a link if you can’t find it…
P.S.
Advent Conspiracy side-note: I made myself a countdown-to-Christmas link-chain out of construction paper… Put a little goodie reminding me about what the h I’m doing this year in honor of Jesus’ birth. Today’s (Dec. 1st) reads, “Enter the Story”… dun dun dun.
Then I posted a blog about something I saw on the news this morning…I almost threw my water bottle at the gym’s television.
P.P.S. The conspiracy about my Christmas gift to you is in effect as I type.
Can’t wait.
Yes! Send me that Link. glad you didn’t through your bottle at the television…you would then be buying a brand new TV! haha. Take care Jenna Lou, can’t wait to see you when you come and visit Oakhurst. (note i didn’t say home..hehe) good times to come.
Nathanael Ray
So my reply…
I suppose I could list the things that our church does to help the poor and marginalized, and I could say that we do the stuff in our community and yes it would be the truth we do. This is just such a bigger question that I need to reply with a cartoon and a quote.
The cartoon…
http://blog.christianitytoday.com/outofur/
We are in a time when the question asked by church leaders is… how do we get people that want to be distant and anonymous in church? Instead of come and see Jesus and transform into His image. So we sell an illusion of faith and hope, extinguishing the true solution.
The quote is by Robert Schuller… “You must die as a church to be born as a mission.” (here is the context and article I found it in, good read… http://www.christianitytoday.com/le/2008/fall/13.39.html)
So I have just stated that I will not be a mega-church, I am not a pastor of a Saddleback or Willow model. I have paid a price and still am paying a price in finances and relationships and perceived success for my commitment to a missional community. If we grow to a big church, that must be a sign that we need to plant, so we will. If we fail to become salt and light then we should close the doors because we are not obedient.
Most of all we as a nation are committing the gravest of all “social sins – religion without sacrifice” – Mahtma Ghandi.
Nice… I feel the frustration as well. Our mega churches pay musicians to come play on Sunday morning… hundreds of dollars I might add. If I ever get paid to play on a Sunday at my home church, then someone shoot me please! This is not to say that we are not to pay our pastors and full time ministerial personal. But for me to be play to play in the worship team only on Sunday, is disgusting.
Another thing that really chaps my rear. How Christians send thousands of dollars to other countries to help with health and education and well being of foreign people, yet they to jack squat for their fellow Americans. WHY???? Because this is America darn it, and people shouldn’t get a free ride from my taxes!!!
IT IS the NIMBY attitude! Socialized medicine is bad!!! My tax dollars shouldn’t pay for the poor (lazy as many unchristian-like christians would say) to have health care! That’s MY hard earned money!!! I might get inferior health care because of this! Well its not YOUR money, its the Lords money and he has blessed you with it, so be a good steward!
Well… maybe if we took better care of our great country’s people, we wouldn’t need social medicine.
And this is why I don’t like to tithe to “mega” churches… I know of one, in the central valley, (no names), who built a multi million dollar chapel, right next to their main sanctuary… why??? because it brings in revenue for the church through rentals and it attracts more people to the church. What a gross misappropriation of the Lords money!
Agh… well anywho thats the end of my rant. I’m probably just crazy, and none of that made sense to anyone… maybe not though…lol
Marc,
Nice of you to drop by. So I will respond to your closing statement… mainly because it got me thinking. ( What new right)
“Agh… well anywho thats the end of my rant. I’m probably just crazy, and none of that made sense to anyone… maybe not though…lol”
First I will say this… yes you are crazy… and crazy is a good thing keep the craziness alive within you. Our greatest movements in history started with a seed of Crazy… Think William Wilburforce.
Secondly, your rant is more than a rant… if that makes sense. When I read what you’ve posted I get the overwhelming sensation of the conviction you carry, and I smile to think about how that conviction will turn into a burden . (Please refer to my post on Burdens, followed by reading Nehemiah. I Strongly suggest you do it.) To sum it up, and correct me if I am wrong. Your rant is an out pouring from the ache in your heart.
Thirdly…I will rip off what Adam posted up top…
“One time G.K. Chesterton was included in a panel of people that were discussing the evils and ills of their society at the time. When asked what was the main contribution to the downfall of society, Chesterton replied: “I can sum it up in one word: ME. The problem is me.”
I’ve been thinking about this a lot. I complain a lot about the church and how apathetic the church is when it comes to actually making a difference in the world. But then I think about my own life and how apathetic (and pathetic) I am when it comes to addressing needs. I’m trying to change that – I’m looking to actually change my career from ministry to fighting human trafficking – but when I look at the problem, I see ME as the problem. And the church is made up of a bunch of “ME”s.”
Adam hits the nail on the head here… The hardest battle we will fight is the battle against “Me.” Ghandi, says to be the change we want to see in the world. and how true is this. We are the Catalyst for change and the buffer between finite and the infinite. Jesus said “Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth.” We must first learn submission before we can control the power given to us. Make sense?
Anyways… thanks for your post. Take care, good night.
ok i am going to play devil’s advocate, probably just because i am not understanding what you are saying and i think marc is full of crap right now!
Churches pay the worship leader so his family can eat, our closest friends in Ventura are worship leaders and without that money they would not be able to feed their babies. Our church is not a mega church but we do pay special speakers and worship leaders because they “don’t” have to do it and they deserve to get paid… it is their “job”. Are you saying that churches should not pay staff? I saw that you said pastors and ministry leaders… a worship leader is a ministry leader.
i also think it is sad that you guys are bashing mega churches… they are Christians too!!!! so are you saying you are better than them! Personally, i think more people come to Christ at a mega church than anywhere else… they must be doing something right. who cares if they build a big church… if the people come.
now for my last rant(the one that got my panties in a bunch!!!!)
marc, i understand where you are coming from about socialized medicine and money but honestly there is more to it than that. being a foster mom i have seen the effects of our government on these poor children. they do not have social medicine and they are forced to use medical, which is a sad excuse for insurance. Right now, medical has almost been cut because the government decided to “help” the economy!! we took money from the neediest. is it really ok to say you don’t want socialized health care because its your “hard earned money”. my question now is what have you really done to help anyone marc? or is your money to precious to help a family in need?
Sorry to be such a brat!
one more thing, i think the government should be responisble for the poor because the church is doing a BAD job at it. I am going to go out on a limb to say that 90% of churches are struggling taking care of the people in their church let alone taking care of the poor!
Amanda,
good to hear your opinion. I would first like for you to point out to me where mega-churches were being bashed. I opened this blog with the preface that I am the guilty party and closed it with a personal challenge.
Also…I would like to give respect to Marc’s opinions and burdens… rough around the edges they may, a real truth is still engrained in them.
A few things that stood out to me that you had written.
“…we do pay special speakers and worship leaders because they “don’t” have to do it and they deserve to get paid… it is their “job”…”
I would like you to clarify this statement…. Joy has been leading worship for our church for 3 years and has never been on payroll. She doesn’t have to be there, and quite frankly she would deserve pay from time to time, but that’s not her heart. My wife understands that True Ministry requires sacrifice… that its not merely a Job, but rather a duty of obedience… She Does have to be there because it is what God has called her to, and to say “Lord I will only do this for Money” would be a travesty. So if Ministry is merely a Job… count me out.
Further more, I would like you to read my post. Based upon you replies, it leads me to believe that you never got that far. Good day and God Bless.
Amanda. You have misunderstood what I said. I said pastors and staff SHOULD be paid. Worship pastors would therefore deserve to be paid according to my statement. The paying of players who show up a few hours a week is what I’m talking about. People like myself. I would never deny hired staff and pastors a wage. But people who play a few hours a month and shouldn’t.
As far as what I do to help… I will make an attempt toward humility and say that is between me and the Lord and that I shouldn’t post on a blog all of my good deeds, few or many.
And I completely agree… The church isn’t doing the best job helping those in need. Hence why I said the comment about mega churches not being good stewards of Gods money.
I personally think more people come to Christ through individual relationships with Christians rather than churches, regardless of size. Either way it’s not the church or the Christian… It’s God and that individual wrestling with God I think.
Ron Burgundy… Stay classy…
PLS. As far as big and large churches… I’ve seen more big churches miss using money than small. I played a mega church and they spent way to money on frivolous things.
With smaller churches I personally haven’t seen as much abuse. I never saw the journey blowing money on 10 xboxes for student ministries…. I saw them spend the money on the homeless and needy mothers… Even if it meant forsaking salaries for staff.
That’s why I have that bias
That should have said PPS not PLS.
Sorry for the typos I’m sending this on my iPhone
Sorry I just re read amanda comment regarding to my thoughts on socialized medicine. You misread what I wrote on that as well. I was being sarcastic and mocking what people against health care for the poor say. I was saying that people who say…
“Socialized medicine is bad!!! My tax dollars shouldn’t pay for the poor (lazy as many unchristian-like christians would say) to have health care! That’s MY hard earned money!!! I might get inferior health care because of this!”
are wrong… I emphasized that when my next line that stated…
“Well its not YOUR money, its the Lords money and he has blessed you with it, so be a good steward!”
so I think that there may have been a misunderstanding on your behalf about what I was writing. I’m in favor of quality affordable health care for everyone, including our poor, socialized or not.
Sorry, I wanted to clear that point up as well.
PS I was just in Santa Barbara
Actually I’d like to hear or see of a good example of the government run compassion, aid or health care.
Medi- Cal is glorious rick…don’t you like waiting in lines as long as the mighty Mississippi. Once you get up front they turn you away because they wanna see some obscure pice of document that doesn’t really exist… Bring them a piece of 2ply from the bathroom with your “signature” on it… Works every time.
I’d like to her or see of a good example of compassion, aid or health care… period.
As far as health care goes, you are damned if you do damned if you don’t. Privatized medicine is extremely costly to the individual and very exclusive to who gets it due to the expense. Socialized medicine doesn’t discriminate, it just provides poor healthcare to everyone!
But now we’ve gotten into political issues… as opposed to spiritual issues.
President Elect Obama is going to fix all of this and restore balance back to the force, that is why this year my nativity has a little baby Barack Hussein in it. Glorrrrryyyyyy!
That’s funny… cause my Nativity has a little baby Joe the Plumber in it… hehe
Cant get any worse than the past 8 years. Most people can agree on that.
Does your nativity have joe siiiiix pack in it? Or maybe, I’m sorry Katie Couric I’ll have to get back to you on that…?
Mat, your just angry he isn’t white… aren’t you? hahaha
I would be good with foreign policy, because I can see Russia from my window!!!
hehe!
HAAAAAA! That Makes Arnold an expert too I suppose.
GET DOWN!!! GET OUT OF HEEEERE!!! GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!
Obama is black?
Repeal the 22nd amendment!